Sean ([info]jackslack) wrote,
@ 2008-12-21 08:55:00
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On Political Voting
James Joyner is quickly becoming my favorite conservative pundit. He's level headed, doesn't retreat to idiocy, and puts forward limited, sensible critiques of liberal discussion.

Here's a cracker of a shot from him though, on the current Minnesota mess.

Electronic voting is slow, confusing, and subject to theoretical mass manipulation. Mark-sense ballots are much more intuitive and have a built-in paper trail. The solution is simple, if draconian: No tolerance. Ballots that are incorrectly filled out are thrown out. Zero interpretation. If you vote in the wrong place, write in “Lizard People,” or otherwise don’t follow the ridiculously simple instructions, your ballot is excluded from the process. Period.


Exactly.

Unsurprisingly, this is what we have in Australia, so perhaps I'm biased.

EDIT!: In cases where a third party candidate gets a significant number of votes and no candidate gets a majority, instant run-off voting would be a solution. As would an actual run-off election. Or, perhaps, you could require a run-off (whether instant or actual) only in cases where the margin between the first two candidates is less than one percent (or two percent, or whatever), keeping it first past the post but considering elections within the margin to be ties.

Does that sound a bit like -- yes, I think it does -- preferential voting? Goodness me!

I'm not proud of my country. But one thing we have gotten RIGHT is our voting system. It's compulsory and has built in checks to stop this sort of thing; and it nearly always does.

America can and SHOULD adopt the same system. Compulsory voting, with preferences all the way down the line.

And pass the National Popular Vote measure while you're at it. Electoral colleges are silly.



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the current US presidential election system
[info]mvymvy
2008-12-21 06:42 pm UTC (link)
The major shortcoming of the current system of electing the President is that presidential candidates concentrate their attention on a handful of closely divided "battleground" states. 98% of the 2008 campaign events involving a presidential or vice-presidential candidate occurred in just 15 closely divided “battleground” states. Over half (57%) of the events were in just four states (Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania and Virginia). Similarly, 98% of ad spending took place in these 15 “battleground” states.. Similarly, in 2004, candidates concentrated over two-thirds of their money and campaign visits in five states and over 99% of their money in 16 states.
Two-thirds of the states and people have been merely spectators to the presidential elections. Candidates have no reason to poll, visit, advertise, organize, campaign, or worry about the voter concerns in states where they are safely ahead or hopelessly behind. The reason for this is the winner-take-all rule enacted by 48 states, under which all of a state's electoral votes are awarded to the candidate who gets the most votes in each separate state.

Another shortcoming of the current system is that a candidate can win the Presidency without winning the most popular votes nationwide. This has occurred in one of every 14 presidential elections.

In the past six decades, there have been six presidential elections in which a shift of a relatively small number of votes in one or two states would have elected (and, of course, in 2000, did elect) a presidential candidate who lost the popular vote nationwide.

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The National Popular Vote bill
[info]mvymvy
2008-12-21 06:43 pm UTC (link)
The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states (and DC).

Every vote would be politically relevant and equal in presidential elections.

The bill would take effect only when enacted, in identical form, by states possessing a majority of the electoral votes—that is, enough electoral votes to elect a President (270 of 538). When the bill comes into effect, all the electoral votes from those states would be awarded to the presidential candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states (and DC).

The bill is currently endorsed by 1,246 state legislators — 460 sponsors (in 47 states) and an additional 786 legislators who have cast recorded votes in favor of the bill.

The National Popular Vote bill has passed 22 state legislative chambers, including one house in Arkansas, Colorado, Maine, Michigan, North Carolina, and Washington, and both houses in California, Hawaii, Illinois, New Jersey, Maryland, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and Vermont. The bill has been enacted by Hawaii, Illinois, New Jersey, and Maryland. These four states possess 50 electoral votes — 19% of the 270 necessary to bring the law into effect.

See http://www.NationalPopularVote.com

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